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- Focused Feedback: Stasis in PvP
- Daily Questions [2021-05-25]
- Bungie's changing the power grind from 50 per season to 10 per season and capping the power requirement for VoG challenge mode at only 1310 allowed me to partake in my first day one raid race ever and I couldn't be more grateful.
- VoG highlighted a new emerging problem within endgame PvE, but no one is really talking about it
- REMINDER: Crucible lacks maps AS WELL AS modes
- Farming Templar checkpoint yields 5 Spoils of Conquest every ~2min 55sec. Or ~100 Spoils every hour. This is an optimal farm for anyone who wants / needs Spoils.
- Put Tribute Hall in the Legends section
- VoG is great. But the emblem for 10 sherpas was fucking genius.
- I used 1000 spoils on Fatebringer. Here are the rolls I got worth keeping.
- Getting 3 vision of confluence's and two boot drops during the entire raid definitely brought back some VoG... nostalgia
- People who play Iron Banner and don't cap Flags, are the worst.
- F*** the lore, give us the "vaulted" Crucible maps back
- DMG's Tweet about Clan Upgrades
- The loot for the last two season has been really really good
- Prophecy Solo Flawless as easy as it will probably ever be this season.
- Pretty sure I’m statistically the worst active PVPer in all of Destiny 2, so I’ve got that going for me
- Bungie, no salt intended but I really miss the Tribute Hall and Menagerie.
- Please make Vex Mythoclast hold stacks like Symmetry. Don't make this another Tarrabah situation.
- Could we possibly get a Strike variation of the mission "Sabotaging Salvation"?
- Vex Mythoclast Charged With Light
- It is soooo Nice to have a raid into cutscene above 30fps
- Allow us to choose which weapon our guardian holds
- Vault of Glass - Easy non sparrow method to collect first hidden chest on all three characters
- Some tips I've learned through 9 clears of VoG since launch.
- VOG coming back made me realize something. If the vex can teleport anywhere, why do they make doors for their most important areas to be easily open to the public?
- All cutscenes should be uncapped from now on
- Colorblind filters don't work on oracles
| Focused Feedback: Stasis in PvP Posted: 24 May 2021 07:34 AM PDT Hello Guardians, Focused Feedback is where we take the week to focus on a 'Hot Topic' discussed extensively around the Tower. We do this in order to consolidate Feedback, to get out all your ideas and issues surrounding the topic in one place for discussion and a source of feedback to the Vanguard. This Thread will be active until next week when a new topic is chosen for discussion Whilst Focused Feedback is active, ALL posts regarding 'Stasis in PvP' following its posting will be removed and re-directed to this thread. Exceptions to this rule are as follows: New information / developments, Guides and general questions Any and all Feedback on the topic is welcome. Regular Sub rules apply so please try to keep the conversation on the topic of the thread and keep it civil between contrasting ideas A Wiki page - Focused Feedback - has also been created for the Sub as an archive for these topics going forward so they can be looked at by whoever may be interested or just a way to look through previous hot topics of the sub as time goes on. [link] [comments] |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 08:00 PM PDT New player? Please read the New Light Guide & Gameplay GuideWant to buy the DLC? Beyond Light GuideReturning and not sure what was vaulted? Destiny Content Vault: Year 4Unsure what you need to pay for and what's free? Check out the Season of the Splicer CalendarTop Known Issues List by BungieWelcome to the Daily Questions thread! Do you have a Destiny related question that needs answering? Can't find it anywhere else on the web? Well You're in luck! Simply ask your question down below, and the knowledgeable community of /r/DestinyTheGame will answer it to the best of their abilities! Be sure to use the search in the top right before submitting a question, as it could have already been answered. Also, be sure to check the thread itself! We also have a nice collection of useful resources below "Useful links" in the sidebar / top menu. Be sure to sort by new to see the latest questions! Rules
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| Posted: 24 May 2021 12:27 PM PDT Pretty much the title. I've been playing Destiny since the D1 Beta and am your typically dad gamer that has too much to do between work and family to dedicate the high number of hours that it used to take to hit the light cap to get raid ready. I've never had the opportunity to be a part of the day one raid race because of that... until now. It took my group 21 hours and 7 minutes to clear both modes and I couldn't be more jazzed about it. Plus I got a god roll Fatebringer and Mythoclast on my very first run to boot. THANK YOU BUNGIE. Edit: Cap was 1300. Silly me. [link] [comments] |
| VoG highlighted a new emerging problem within endgame PvE, but no one is really talking about it Posted: 24 May 2021 09:06 AM PDT First off, I want to state that this isn't a VoG complaint post. Bungie, you guys killed it in my opinion. You managed to take a completely solved and known quantity in VoG and alter it in creative and modern ways that led to quite a nice challenge. Kudos, and I cannot wait to see what you guys can do with favorites like Kings Fall or Wrath now. The problem I'm talking about is the buff/mechanics display. Destiny is moving more and more towards an MMO style of gameplay, with numerous abilities, mods, and weapons that apply debuffs or buff the player. If they continue on this road towards an MMO style (please do), it will become excruciatingly obvious that displaying a maximum of 4 mechanics and buffs, and not displaying what debuffs are affecting the target you are shooting at all, is just not going to cut it. A lot of people probably realized this during VoG. Between Sheltered by the Void, Well of Radiance, Weapons of Light/Blessing of Sky, Power of Rasputin, Pulsewave and countless others, some potentially crucial information is always going to get bumped off the screen entirely. Dmg stated on twitter that it should always prioritize mechanic timers like Imminent Detain etc but there were reports that this might not always be the case. Regardless, when you start to add up all the information that we need right now, its much more than 4, and this will get worse as we get more and more into the MMO style. Can you imagine how bad this problem would be if Bungie eventually does fully embrace the MMO style and balances the endgame PvE around managing stacking buffs/debuffs? It doesn't even have to be turned on by default, but it would be VERY awesome to see a buff/debuff overlay added to the game in the future. That way you could use the current spot on the screen for ONLY mechanics related information and endgame PvE players can still have all the information at their fingertips. [link] [comments] |
| REMINDER: Crucible lacks maps AS WELL AS modes Posted: 24 May 2021 09:40 AM PDT I hope when the day comes that Bungie acknowledges the existence of PvP, they don't just give us a handful of new maps and call it "a renewed focus." PvP not only lacks maps, it also lacks modes/playlists. There was nothing more terrifying and exhilarating than playing Infection in Halo and being the last human alive. Or running the bomb in Grifball and seeing the whole team run towards you. Or playing Team Snipers and hearing random shots graze your head. Or playing CTF and juggling the flag hoping that you can make it back to your spawn. Not to mention the various custom games like Jenga, Halo, and VIP. Destiny lacks unique and interesting and most importantly; fun modes. And it's kind of a shame considering how in-depth and expansive this universe is. Destiny has a way more in-depth universe than Halo, which would allow for some pretty fun modes, yet TO THIS DAY Halo PvP still beats Destiny PvP in terms of fun factor. And please don't tell me to go play Halo (which I already do), because that's not a solution. I don't bring this up to shit talk Destiny and Bungie, I bring it up as a comparison of Bungie's past work vs their current work. Edit: I agree, Gambit also needs attention. I was just making this post in response to the post about no Crucible maps for 600 days. While that's a problem, even if we got new maps I probably still wouldn't enjoy PvP because we would still be playing the same boring modes. [link] [comments] |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 01:51 PM PDT For reference, a regular clear of VoG (unless you're speed running) is roughly 45-60 min, depending on group. You can farm about 25 Spoils a clear. So farming Templar yields about 4x as many Spoils in the same amount of time. This is an invaluable farm for anyone who wants / needs Anarchy or wants Spoils to farm VoG weapons from the Atheon chest. Loadouts to ensure that from kill to kill is under 3 min: use Slug shotties, Anarchy w breach&clear, one Divinity, one Well, and use Chaos Reaches and Thundercrashes. Templar will die before he can even attempt to make the second teleport. DPS him from the little ledge just right of spawn. Make sure the Well Warlock is using Luna boots + Divinity. Obviously relic holder blocks first teleport. Have someone save CP on an alt, everyone joins on them, CP player loads in then changes character during the fly in screen to another character. Clear the encounter. Switch back to the CP alt - rinse and repeat. Best of luck and happy farming! [link] [comments] |
| Put Tribute Hall in the Legends section Posted: 24 May 2021 05:39 AM PDT Edit: To everyone saying it can't come back because of lore reasons: do you understand what the Legends section is for? [link] [comments] |
| VoG is great. But the emblem for 10 sherpas was fucking genius. Posted: 24 May 2021 05:53 PM PDT seriously, GGs bungie. It's really nice to see lots of people trying to bring new players through their first run, as opposed to most new raids where LFGs are filled with people who don't know the raid and can't get people to teach them. Please keep doing this in the future. The only improvements I can think of is making it visible in the game instead of through the rewards site only, and to maybe make it so that you have to do the full raid and not boss CP. [link] [comments] |
| I used 1000 spoils on Fatebringer. Here are the rolls I got worth keeping. Posted: 24 May 2021 03:17 PM PDT |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 10:20 AM PDT The more things change the more things stay the same. [link] [comments] |
| People who play Iron Banner and don't cap Flags, are the worst. Posted: 24 May 2021 04:10 PM PDT |
| F*** the lore, give us the "vaulted" Crucible maps back Posted: 24 May 2021 01:11 AM PDT Wormhaven and Pacifica is in the map rotation while Titan was consumed by darkness, according to the lore so why not just put that 10 or so maps back in the map rotation and make Crucible feel a little bit more... alive? [link] [comments] |
| DMG's Tweet about Clan Upgrades Posted: 24 May 2021 02:55 PM PDT For reference: https://twitter.com/A_dmg04/status/1396884401221292034?s=20 "What improvements would you like to see? We're always collecting feedback, but are more than happy to pass along more notes from players as we see them." While I would love to see updates to clans, as they desperately need them, I would really love to see what is already in the game working properly first! The clan list on PC has been broken since the launch of Shadowkeep. That's 19 months of the most basic social feature in a game not working. It's even worse coming from a company that is constantly going on about community, friends, "the real endgame is the friends you made along the way", etc. For those of you that do not know, the way the clan list on PC currently operates is if a player is online on STEAM their card in the clan list is a light grey color, and if they are offline on steam their card is a dark grey color. All the normal interactions and visual aids if a player is online in the actual game do not exist or work. Currently the only way around this is to add each member of your clan to your personal STEAM friends list. This is not an acceptable solution, there are countless other games that get this right. There have been lots of posts about this here over the last 19 months, but only one got any attention from Bungie, which was about a year ago from Cozmo. The jist of his response was the team is aware and working on it. Then silence ever since! If only there was a system that was already in place where every player in Destiny already had an account no matter what platform they played on, kinda like a Bungie.net account or something like that! It's been so long with this broken, can we at least get an update or something to say this is still even remotely a priority at least? It's honestly sad at this point... [link] [comments] |
| The loot for the last two season has been really really good Posted: 24 May 2021 02:37 PM PDT In Season of the Chosen and Season of the Splicer, we have had a GREAT improvement in loot, something that we've been lacking for a while. With this season's addition of Seasonal, VoG, Iron banner, Trials, Nightfall, and core activity loot, we have soooo much more stuff to chase. This is also in addition to the great loot added last season including new Seasonal, Trials, Nightfall, and core activity loot. Plus, all of these additions have included new perks which are unique, but most importantly they are sought after by players so that we don't keep the same weapons forever. While there are criticisms of the new loot (such as drop rates and wide perk pools in some cases) I think that the last two seasons have been a HUGE step in the right direction in this regard. [link] [comments] |
| Prophecy Solo Flawless as easy as it will probably ever be this season. Posted: 24 May 2021 07:56 PM PDT I did one of these for the nightmare hunts time trials last season because the sword guard mod was the absolute best for tearing through those ultra quick. The flavor of the season this time is grenade launchers, I just ran through prophecy solo running breach and clear with grenade launchers and it was quite something. Firstly the Phalanx Echo can be 1 phased, (it always could with the right strat, but it's easier this time), I used Anarchy - Chaos reach - Slug shotgun and it tore through him like nobodies business. It would probably be safer overall to use a well here. If you're comfortable running double slugs it's a very easy 1 phase. In the past, Well + sword has been my go to, with the ammo nerf to guilotine and the damage nerf to lament I don't know if they would still be the best. The slugs did great for me. The Desert is the same, Grenade launchers were never a great choice here. The Cube was always the easiest of the 3 main encounters, Seasonal mods don't do a whole lot here, put on Devour lock/Invis hunter/bottom tree solar titan and just take your time and focus on staying alive. Xenophage is king here for sniping hobs and downing knights. The Roads encounter is still the same, snipers for distance. Here's the important part, Kell Echo is now a very comfy 2 phase with Anarchy. I was off my game because I stopped doing Prophecy solo for a long time since I hit pinnacle cap last season. I was very suprised to see that Breach and Clear anarchy is as Murderous as it is. I ran Ikelos SMG primary for cells/psion encounters with Ignition Code/Anarchy. I whiffed numerous shots and got Teleported several times and still got a 2 phase with time to spare. I imagine Witherhoard/Auto rockets are murderous as well with Breach and Clear. Both of these methods are a lot safer than trying to sword in my experience. Swords have never went well with Kell echo for me. If haven't done Solo flawless Prophecy yet and want to get that emblem, get breach and clear and go kick some ass. Good luck Guardians. [link] [comments] |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 10:49 AM PDT It took me right around 150 Iron Banner matches this past week to finish all the pinnacle bounties across all three characters. I did not finish the weapon quest on any character yet, although I am one LMG kill from completion on one character. Iron Banner K/D ratio sitting at .57. Super efficiency at .71—just to be clear, that means most times I pop a super, no one gets killed. Using the new load in screen that shows teammate stats, I only saw 2 players with lower K/D ratios than me on my team all week, and one of them had 0.0 because it was their first match. If you see me, farm me, but save the teabag for someone deserving of the effort. [link] [comments] |
| Bungie, no salt intended but I really miss the Tribute Hall and Menagerie. Posted: 24 May 2021 03:37 PM PDT As a huge fan of the game through all its ups and downs I miss everything, but I find myself wishing for these two the most. I do understand they had to reduce the size of the game to optimize some things, fair enough in a constantly growing game. Please bring these back in some way. I'm sure a lot people would complain but I'd be fine with a reskinned Menagerie seasonal event. It's just needs to be as good and not disappear (for a long while at least). [link] [comments] |
| Please make Vex Mythoclast hold stacks like Symmetry. Don't make this another Tarrabah situation. Posted: 24 May 2021 09:28 PM PDT This is one of the most iconic weapons in Destiny history. You have made it a hell of a lot of fun with a great FR/LFR mechanic that changes how it feels (and will LIKELY be exceptional once we get FR Champ mods inevitably). But my god, the stowing of the weapon killing Overcharge is such a terrible decision. If this is a PvP issue, then just limit the stacks to 1 in PvP modes or something. Otherwise, this weapon will be pretty much limited to playlist content and gimmicky stuff like Tarrabah was. It deserves better. [link] [comments] |
| Could we possibly get a Strike variation of the mission "Sabotaging Salvation"? Posted: 24 May 2021 09:02 AM PDT For those who don't know or may have forgotten, its the mission that is part of the quest "Reclaiming Europa" from Variks that you get after the Beyond Light campaign. This mission involves destroying some Fallen Brigs and also fighting a gigantic Brig as a final boss. I personally think it was a fun mission, it'd be interesting if it turned into a Strike imo. [link] [comments] |
| Vex Mythoclast Charged With Light Posted: 24 May 2021 04:11 AM PDT Just realised Vex Mythoclast pairs with Quick Charge to literally drown you in Charges of Light. Feeling like a team player? Add Powerful Friends to spread the light to nearby allies. [link] [comments] |
| It is soooo Nice to have a raid into cutscene above 30fps Posted: 24 May 2021 06:49 PM PDT Not sure if this has been mentioned before on the sub but the cutscene at the start of VoG was so crisp. [link] [comments] |
| Allow us to choose which weapon our guardian holds Posted: 24 May 2021 12:16 PM PDT Rather than having the primary show in the hands of our guardian, why is there not a button called 'showcase' or something to choose which is shown? Little detail that would be great imo [link] [comments] |
| Vault of Glass - Easy non sparrow method to collect first hidden chest on all three characters Posted: 24 May 2021 07:50 PM PDT Hunter: https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/dyklone/video/135323123 Warlock: https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/dyklone/video/135323127 Titan: https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/dyklone/video/135323122 Sparrow glitch - Back up straight into the corner so the sparrow is parallel to the wall. Look right and up. Then press left dodge and dismount in quick succession. Titan Sword Skating at 1:05 - Hold jump for a bit, cancel jump, wait a bit, sword swipe, repeat. Most people don't realize they need to do the jump cancel and instead just swing at the top of their jump causing them to lose their jump and not skating properly Note 1: I didn't find the glitch but I found it hard piecing together proper runs on each character as their seems to be different routes and methods. I found this route the easiest as it's the same for each character, doesn't require any sparrow flying and most of the jumps are pretty safe once you get some experience doing them. Note 2: You will only get mods, raid spoils and items that you've already obtained on that character. Let me know if there are any clarifications needed. [link] [comments] |
| Some tips I've learned through 9 clears of VoG since launch. Posted: 24 May 2021 04:15 AM PDT EDITS AT THE BOTTOM I am one of those people who obsesses over raid mechanics, strategies, being efficient, min/maxing mods and builds, etc. I love the theorycrafting part of Destiny almost more than anything else. So of course with a "new" (to me, I did not play D1) raid, my brain went into overdrive trying to figure out ways to make the raid easier and more straightforward for teaching players new to it, since I do a lot of this, and how to make it as efficient and easy for everyone as I can. I'm just going to TLDR the big points (which most players probably already know by now, but I figured it was still worth sharing) from each encounter. I'm not going to get into loadouts much as outside of being somewhat subjective, I think everyone knows what the meta is for VoG. Oracles I saw a lot of people using Oracle maps with numbers and trying to call out which ones to shoot and all this, this is completely unnecessary. IMO this is the easiest way to do Oracles:
TLDR: call out Oracle numbers in the order you see and hear them. 1st chime is 1, 2nd chime is 2, etc. If all players are patrolling their areas right you will not miss any. Templar The first part of the Templar encounter is more or less an easier version of Oracles, so same thing applies. The DPS strat everyone is using now and is super effective, very similar to Taniks, have the relic bearer pop the shield mid, well on the corner ledge in front of the templar and DPS away in a well while the relic bearer blocks teleports. Not a whole lot to say otherwise. :) Gatekeeper and Atheon Gatekeeper The rotation on this took a little bit for us to get down smoothly, there are a few important things to know: Speed for the relic bearer is important and kind of key to success for the whole thing, the rest of the encounter is very simple. When you exit one side to drop off the relic and go to another side, you have a very short amount of time (assuming you are not way behind) before the gatekeeper will spawn and lock the portal, which can cause bad things to happen. You can do a few small things to facilitate success:
Atheon This encounter is not as hard as a lot of players are making it, it can be broken down into 2 distinct phases which are basically Oracles and DPS, but some small changes in callouts, what the Stay and Away teams do and how and where you do DPS can make a monumental difference in how easy this is for you and your fireteam. About Oracle and Mars/Venus Orientation One thing that confuses a lot of players (and I've seen a lot of maps that just add to the confusion) is the orientation of the Oracles in the main room and in the Venus and Mars rooms. Let me simplify this! The Venus and Mars rooms are simply smaller versions of the large room, for all intents and purposes they are essentially identical, just a good bit smaller. The only difference is when you spawn on Mars and Venus you spawn at the opposite end of the room from where we spend all of our time in the main room. Essentially, you are spawning where the chest is at the end of the encounter. Because of this, a lot of fireteams get confused with the orientation of the Oracles between the Stay and Away teams. But there is a way to overcome this I will cover below. Just keep in mind, the rooms are actually laid out the same, only smaller. Oracles Callouts Oh boy. I have heard so many different confusing callouts for Oracles and that's just so unnecessary. Here's a few tips you can apply to calling out Oracles that will simplify comms and make your life easier.
A couple of tips for the Away and Stay teams.
Stay Team
DPS DPS should be done behind the portal the Away team comes out of on the stairs, or at the top of the stairs either is fine. Bubble should be to the right or left of the portal, either is also fine. This has a number of advantages:
Supplicants really aren't a problem, there's only a few that come over there and in a well you have nothing to worry about. As far as DPS itself goes, I am no streamer, I am not Ehroar, lol. However I will say that I learned something very quickly: VoG is about abilities and supers not weapons. The buff you get during DPS, Times Vengeance, gives you a HUGE boost to super and ability damage. So our best runs have all been with lots of high damage supers Thundercrash w/ Cuirass, top tree Nova Bomb, Chaos Reach, Gold Gun, Blade Barrage, etc. If the Stay team has things ready to go, those three players can probably get off double supers due to the increased regen. Weapon wise, all I can say is Anarchy. It just lets you do DPS and spam abilities and supers at the same time. I hope these help some of you with faster, cleaner clears or if you haven't run it yet, I hope it helps with your first clear. I'm sure a lot of this is redundant to many players, but I just try and share anything helpful when I can to people who may be able to use it. Additional Comments and Tips! A ton of great suggestions in the comments! A few things I forgot to mention that I was reminded of:
There's been a lot of discussion about Oracle callouts and Team Numbers vs. Team Relative Locations, so let me get nerdy for a paragraph and explain my logic. :) When you number the Oracle locations, what are you actually doing is you are looking at the Oracles and saying to your team "Okay, the one in the far back is 1, then clockwise from there. So far right is 2, close right is 3, etc." What you are doing is actually taking relative locations and converting them to numbers which the Away team then takes numbers and converts them to relative locations like "okay it's 3, which one is 3, three is the close right one." So my logic is to cut out the brainwork as much as possible and simplify it. Instead of converting relative locations to numbers, then numbers back to relative locations, why not just use relative locations? That's basically why I switched to that and got away from numbers. FWIW, I have done numbers and we actually did numbers on Day1 and it was fine. I just find relative locations to be far simpler for most players. But ultimately, you should do what works for you and your fireteam! [link] [comments] |
| Posted: 24 May 2021 09:50 PM PDT Like for some time traveling, brilliant, calculator data robots, you'd think they could plug in some algebraic equations to realize that they can just close off all their entrances with walls to hide them. But no, they create convenient plates and doors that just let you in with 0 catch. Whoever the vex hired as engineers for their vaults and important data locations need to be fired. Now Quria on the other hand has some promise. Quria actually hides a vex network behind a different reality and doesn't make a door. Granted, we had to literally rip open a door with the splicer gauntlet but still. Literally every other vex I can remember has made an obvious door to their important POIs. Panoptes allowed a big ass door to the infinite forest to just exist, The sanctified mind and all those guys in the black garden just made big portals to their planet without turning off the power switch on the way out, Argos was just like, "Yeah I'm just chill in the bottom of an enemy ship and give them the keys to break my immunity shield to my area." and more! [link] [comments] |
| All cutscenes should be uncapped from now on Posted: 24 May 2021 10:10 AM PDT Bungie, after hearing my entire fireteam during day one basically orgasm at the sight of a 100+ FPS intro cutscene I can tell you that this is the way forward. [link] [comments] |
| Colorblind filters don't work on oracles Posted: 24 May 2021 10:30 AM PDT Did the raid on day 1, all went smoothly until atheon. I kept getting teleported and my teammates would call the oracles out, but since i have red-green color blindness, i could not at all see where the oracles were, and would end up shooting the wrong one. The oracles while i was in the boss room was fine, because the background was blue and the oracles were red, but whenever i got teleported to venus (which was literally always) i would be an actual detriment to my team. The color blindness settings don't seem to affect it much, and there isn't a setting for color blindness intensity. (I play on console if that matters) Is there any way the oracles would change color depending on the colour blindness setting? Im sure that if the oracles in mars/ venus were blue or bright white in colour, nobody would feel like the raid has lost its roots or its core feeling. So if bungie can fix or implement even a tiny change, it would be much appreciated. sincerely, Your friendly neighborhood warlock [link] [comments] |
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